What It Really Takes to Be a Keeper

What does it really take to be a goalkeeper? In this episode of Catching Up, we sit down with Iain Longstaff – a coach who has lived and breathed the highs, lows, and lessons of life between the posts.

Iain shares his journey from watching his dad inspire him to take up goalkeeping, through the heartbreak of early setbacks, to becoming a respected coach who has worked with some of the best in the game. From grassroots to the National League, from family influences to professional triumphs like winning the Golden Glove, Iain’s story is full of wisdom for goalkeepers of all ages.

We talk about the eccentric characters who shaped the game, what it takes to coach with honesty and humility, and how the demands on goalkeepers have evolved with the modern game. Whether you’re a young keeper dreaming big, a coach looking for insight, or a parent supporting the journey, this episode is packed with valuable lessons.

Above all, Iain’s message is clear: be yourself, keep learning, and embrace the joy of goalkeeping.

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Paul: 0:06

most goalkeepers are drawn to it'cause they're a little bit different. To be able to throw yourself at someone's feet, you've gotta have something a little bit wrong with you.

Iain: 0:13

you would actually put your head where other people, wouldn't put their feet. If Bruce Grobbleaar had been around in social media time, God knows what it would've made of him, but it would've been entertaining, shall we say?

Paul: 0:24

I've always taken, when I work with a good leader, I learn from their best bits, but I also pick apart the worst bits and, and just, you kind of, kind of decide for yourself what you, what do you wanna be known for and what do you not wanna be known for?

Iain: 0:34

I'm daft as a brush and I think that helps with the kids as well, especially when you are working there at junior level, you've gotta be as daft as a brush, even though they've had a bad day at school or whatever. They're all human, they're all personal, they're all very mellow characters. They're all very calm and centered, and prepared to listen to people and put the person first A lot has changed and I don't think you'd be able to get away with as much of these eccentricities now as you would

1:05

Welcome to Catching Up the new podcast from Evo goalkeeper. Today I'm joined by Goalkeeping Coach Iain Longstaff, part of the team here at Evo, and we're gonna dive deep into his backstory from the first heroes who inspired him to the setbacks that tested him, and the lessons he now passes on to the next generation of keepers. Ian is fantastically honest. He's inspiring, and this is absolutely jam packed with advice for anyone who loves the game, but particularly if you're involved in Goalkeeping, give it a watch. Let us know what you think.

Paul: 1:49

welcome everyone to the very first edition of Catching Up with EVO Goalkeeper. I'm Paul. I'm gonna be the host for this season of the podcast, and my very first guest today is, um, part of the team. Iain Longstaff. Welcome. Welcome. Hi. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. you've been with EVO for how long now? About six years. now We're gonna rewind back some time because what we wanna do with this, series is to just kind of give a bit of the information, the origin stories of some of the guests that we've got on the show. The point of this series is really to get under the skin of some of the coaches that we'll be interviewing, the podcast is built for everyone, right? We want to interact with the whole goalkeeper community from young coaches to more experienced coaches, young goalkeepers to older goalkeepers, parents of goalkeepers! Over the next few episodes, you're gonna see us talk with some of the most amazing goalkeeper coaches out there. And, and honestly, Iain, it's an actual privilege for me to talk with, with some of you guys because you guys have done so much, and for, for the people who, my son's going through the camp. That's how I met James. That's how I became part of the team. and he's, he's 7 and he sees all these goalkeepers and he goes through all the camps and stuff, and when I told him that we're what we're doing, he's so excited to see what we're gonna be delivering on this. without any further ado, I'm gonna get into it. first question, who was your goalkeeper idol growing up and what was it about them that that kind of stood out? To you. So we're gonna go back a

Iain: 3:19

very, very long way. So we've gotta take into consideration my age. but my first Goalkeeping idol was my dad, played in goal. very good as a, a young man. Apparently I've missed bits because unfortunately dad passing away when I was 11, so there's a bit that's missing. But my dad was my first goalkeeping idol. Absolutely loved watching him, the times were going down, he never wanted me to be a goalkeeper, despite being a goalkeeper himself, but that might do with him having loads of injuries.

Paul: 3:52

Despite being a firefighter, he had more injuries playing sport and football, and when he was a goalkeeper, he broke his tibular and fibula. So as a young baby, not really understanding that, I used to use that as a slide and, and go down on it, and I don't think that's helped the breaks somewhat. But no, my dad was my first goalkeeping hero. He never really wanted me to be goalkeeper, as I said. but sort of playing four a side football, believe it or not. And he watched us play and thought, oh, there's potential there. So then gave in and eventually let me follow him into, into the clubs.

Iain: 4:27

So when you say your dad was a goalkeeper.

Paul: 4:29

What, what sort of level did he play? Was he kind of Sunday League?

Iain: 4:31

Yeah, he played Sunday League and both him and my uncle had trials when we were younger and my uncle was an outfield player. but my dad was goalkeeping, like I say, he had trials in Newcastle. but I think his height went against him at the time. He had to be probably six foot odd. and my dad was only about five foot eight, so he was one of them. And he just loved the position, I think, and just being involved. And I think probably that's why he ended up going the fire service. He liked the, probably the thrill of it.

Paul: 5:00

I think it's, it's fair to say that most, most goalkeepers are drawn to it'cause they're a little bit different. Don't get me wrong, I never got to any sort of level I played at school yard level, right? That was, that was level of goal keeping, i, but I, I loved goalkeepers. I loved the idea of being in goal, just, I was never very good at it.

Iain: 5:18

and I just think we're all, we're all a bit mentally different.

Paul: 5:20

I think you have to be right. You have to be, I mean, I say going back where I used to live, little place called Chopwell, we used to dab around on the streets in the country, in car parks come in black and blue, but you'd still go back out for more. And I say to be able to throw yourself at someone's feet, you've gotta have something a little bit wrong with you.

Iain: 5:38

And, I, once I went back with one of the teams I played for, and, someone asked someone to describe my, technique or whatever, and they said you would actually put your head where other people, wouldn't put their feet. So I don't know whether that was a compliment or, or just the fact that I'm crackers.

Paul: 5:54

Well, I think it's, it's kind of what's necessary for the job right now. I think that's one of the key attributes, of somebody who makes a good goalkeeper. But we'll get onto that as we, as we move through. So I'm guessing if your dad had trials for Newcastle, that, that you guys, you were a Newcastle fan growing up?

Iain: 6:08

No, believe it or not, I'm, I'm a Liverpool fan. I have been for 40, 40 plus year again, it was down to me dad. I got to see one of, probably first professional goalkeeping idols. we managed to get tickets to go and see, Liverpool and Sunderland and what obviously watched Bruce Grobelaar for years on the television. Always thought he was a bit small, but managed to get to see him and to be fair, the guy was huge. He could literally stand and go like that and touch the crossbar and I'm like, this is amazing. I had a PArker jacket on with the Liverpool tracksuit sitting underneath just to keep me, keep this hidden. But it was an experience because they didn't call it warmup in those days. They used to call it a kick in. In the end where we were stood, we gotta see what called the kick in. So we gotta see Liverpool warm up at the time. And again, I was quite lucky. I gotta see the Liverpool goal, which I think scored by Ray Houghton on the day, which is going back have

Paul: 7:01

I have somewhere in my mam's house, the Ray Houghton Topper Pro card. I have it somewhere. I've got Bruce Grobelaar one as well.'cause I'm not gonna lie, when I was showing my son YouTube videos of goalkeepers, I wanted him to admire, bruce Grobelaar was definitely up there with, and when I look back and I show him some of the videos of, of the antics that they used to get up to back then, he just can't believe the difference in keeping, and he's 7 and he sees that.

Iain: 7:26

I mean, they say it's evolved so much now and you look at the likes of, I mean VAR and things like that. I mean, you look at some of the top keepers in the world, they make mistakes and they're all over social media. If Bruce Grobbleaar had been around in social media time, God knows what it would've made of him, but it would've been entertaining, shall we say?

Paul: 7:47

So you got involved in goalkeeping yourself. what sort of level did you get to when you were goalkeeper?

Iain: 7:54

I didn't get to a great level. I'd say probably Saturday, Sunday football. again, probably my height was an issue, and possibly ability as well. And I was a bit erratic as a goalkeeper at times. Yeah, I could go myself and make saves again, probably make mistakes. playing five side got that's to goal. falling go through was in boys club, but as I said, my dad was a fireman and he couldn't commit to getting us there week out, so we had to, we couldn't take that chance and I'd say unfortunately, doing what would've happened and then obviously what happened when dad happened. but you know what? I've always enjoyed just playing football and it doesn't matter what level I've played at, I've just enjoyed it seemed that when I've played cricket as well, you know, it's just been around a group of people socialising, doing what you do and just relaxing at them. It's just, it's fun. It's great.

Paul: 8:49

So you kind of, obviously your dad passed at 11, you know, sorry to hear that. But who picked up the reins, then, because it's quite demanding role, being a football player's parent, right? Yeah.

Iain: 9:00

at the time I wasn't playing football properly, so I wasn't affiliated with any club or anything like that. So it wasn't a real issue. it was only a couple years later when I started playing and we ended up, someone that I knew, they sort of took the reins and used to take us up, Saturday league and Sunday league football, take us to place, and they knew someone. so the got us involved in, called Clara Vale and the manager was a guy Sid Dixon. he came to pick us up on Friday nights. I mean, if you think going back to 91, 92, so again, showing my age and, and there was nothing like DBS and safeguarding, things like that. So he used to come pick us up, he was class. I was impressed because still remember the car was a green Audi. And some of the roads around where we used to go, we used to drive like an absolute nutter. But as a young lad, you were thinking, come on. And it was, and again, it was one of the very first sessions I ever had. And, I actually broke my wrist and it was the night before I went on holiday as well. So

Paul: 10:03

again, Sid took us home, ended being on ice and that still couldn't really do anything with it. Tried to go back in, try to catch a ball again. Nothing happened. So the manager took us home and said to me, mam, we need to take him to the hospital. And again, me mam was just like, oh yeah, take him to the hospital. So nothing was ever mentioned. This guy just took us up there to the hospital. so get his like sorted out. So I ended up coming away with me, wristing in a cast for about four weeks of that delayed making a start for the team. So it was an interesting one. And thankfully we weren't going anywhere abroad on holiday. It was just to a caravan, but it was the fact that we, the night before and trying to carry bags and cases was a bit of a nightmare. So how old were you when this were happening? I think it was, I was probably about 12 or 13 at the time. Geez.

Iain: 10:52

So I'd say, honestly, it was just madness. You look at it now and it just wouldn't happen. But on the, on the funny side of that story, me mam actually knew the guy. Who was the manager of the team.'cause she used to babysit him when, when they young, strangehow the world, how the world works.

Paul: 11:08

There was a lot of that wasn't there. There was a lot of that. You don't get that anymore because you can't do it. That's it. You can't just have random babysitters anymore. Yeah. That's it. it that, so like obviously you've got that and it was the, was there much competition at that age for, a goalkeeper's position? Because I, you look at grassroots now and there's a huge number of clubs, there's a huge number of teams within those clubs.

Iain: 11:32

There probably was, but I wasn't aware of it and there was lads who playing goal and probably the first time I was aware of it was when I moved to Consett. there was a lad playing in goal, so I made mistake saying I could play in defence as well. So I ended up playing probably full season as a centre half. and if he got injured or he wasn't available, then I would go in goal, but that was probably the first time. And I was never aware of it. And I think it was the fact that he couldn't play out, but I could play out. So that was just a slight difference there. But, yeah, it, it, I don't think there was, but then as you go up and he was U18's. Means you're a bit more aware of it and you want to play. And now I made a decision that I do want play and sort of left and went in in the senior football.

Paul: 12:21

So at what point did you start to think about coaching as an opportunity for you?

Iain: 12:26

I was probably about 80 and a little bit younger. I was a little bit younger actually. Because I couldn't drive at the time. so I think I was relying on people around the village who were also doing the badges to get the courses. And I think it was like a junior team coaching, fa coaching badge at the time. And it was the first time without actually realising that someone across a guy called Simon Smith who would have a bit of bearing going forward. so I started doing it there and I got involved in the local team, in, around the village. And I think at the time it was probably something I knew I wanted to do. But I probably wasn't ready. and I was still playing at the time and still thought I could play and do whatever. so I sort of gave it up for a few years and it was when I became a parent myself and I sort of gave up playing football. I thought, I kind of give the game up. I need to stay involved, so I'm not gonna do it. And then from there. W level one and then very quickly under me level two outfield and took the opportunity up from there. But there was a guy who I worked with at the time and he took his all under his wing and led us to a building. The rest, see his history, got into coaching that week.

Paul: 13:37

What would you say that your early influences were on your coaching style

Iain: 13:41

then? I think like I say, being a Liverpool fan. I think probably. That was a, a Liverpool manager. So you're looking, I I do a lot of reading as well. I know I don't bright enough to do a lot of reading or intelligent enough, but I, I love reading. It helps us relax. so you read stuff on like of Brian Clough, Bill Shankley, Bob Paisley, and you try and sort of mirror what those guys doing and what they've done really well. You try and sort of think that's the way to do it. And probably some of the coaches that you had, you look at them, but then you look at the game, it was probably that stage when I was coaching. I was doing the wrong way, but again, didn't have that guidance that you do now. So I was doing a lot of probably shouting, thinking that was the way the Gee people up. you know, so yeah, I think you learn a lot. But again, you put it down and you mark to one side and then you come back a later date think, right, what would I do differently?

Paul: 14:35

And so for anybody who's watching along, if you don't know who Simon Smith is, and, and I imagine a lot of you probably do, but Simon Smith was the, Newcastle first team goalkeeper coach for a lot of years. worked with some of the best, I can imagine working with Simon. And he must've been in his hayday at that point in time in terms of coaching, right?

Iain: 14:53

So I didn't initially work with Simon, as I, so as an outfield coach. and then got the interest of being a keeper, having a little round scene, what's around there? There was not a lot in goalkeeping. So I was allowed, I used to do football at Consett. I bumped into him when I was doing badges and got talking and he got on about the county. And so that lead us into going oh, whey, is there an opportunities to come and work with the county? So it stuck my neck out a little bit and went, yeah, he took a bit of a risk on it. So introduced this to the manager, didn't have any goalkeeper qualifications at the time, so I thought, what am I gonna do? So again, just having a look at things and you hear names. And Simon Smith was one of the guys that came up. And to be fair, Simon just had a big bearing on the first part of my career. and I still use a lot of Simon's drills now. but he was absolutely fantastic. HeHisevel of detail and everything he still says is really relevant now. done me level one and two with Simon. and again, it was just the opportunity to talk to him and then like I say, do his own stuff to begin with, to get his that experience and take things away. I think it was probably the first time as well, I got introduced to S&C and think, what's this? And now I'm getting a little bit older, and starting to organise things a little bit better and understand things. You then link, see how it links in. But Simon is absolutely brilliant and like I say, a lot of his stuff I, I would still do now and then progress it into the, into the other stuff that I do.

Paul: 16:24

And so you kind of, in your coaching career, you then moved from Northern League into the National League. what's the biggest difference in the demands that you saw?

Iain: 16:34

I think the pace of the game and the quality of the players that you're playing against northern League, it's a good standard and take nothing away from it. but when you move up a step and you go to National League more, the pace is so much quicker, they're technically better. I was fortunate to work with, three goalkeepers during my time there, and we brought fourth one in as a junior and, played a little bit for the club at Wembley. but I think I say just dealing with the lads because two of them we had were pro clubs. So you, you learn how to deal with that. and I think I didn't probably get the full understanding of it. If I went back in, I would do it again and I'm probably better equipped, but it was a learning experience. Quick learning experience, but it was a, I say just a hell of a step up and I say, you think some of the lads that you're working with and some of the coaches they're working with and trying to pick their brains and, but not pick the brains, so you're a nuisance. And it's just, it's just finding

Paul: 17:38

that Yeah. How, how to, how everything, yeah. How to extract the information without being a pain in the backside. Yeah. and I, and I get it right, because everybody who's good at what they do learns from they learn, they learn from making mistakes, but they learn from other people's mistakes as well. I think that's, that's key to it. And I, I've always taken, when I work with a good leader, I, I learn from their best bits, but I also pick apart the worst bits and, and just, you kind of, kind of decide for yourself what you, what do you wanna be known for and what do you not wanna be known for?

Iain: 18:09

Right. That's

Paul: 18:10

it.

Iain: 18:10

That's it. I mean, I say I always try and be me, and I think pretty much what you see is what you get on the tin. I'm daft as a brush and I think that helps with the kids as well, especially when you are working there at junior level, you've gotta be as daft as a brush, even though they're gonna come in, they've had a bad day at school or whatever. But you've gotta just be yourself and you've just gotta be open and have a conversation. But I think you've just gotta treat everyone the same and just treat them with respect and have a bit chat and they say, it doesn't matter who I'm dealing with, I'll, I'm a bit laughing a bit joke, and I say, we've got something going stupid at the camps where I started. And now we've got the assistants in and the like, again, it's it's a stuff where I went, go down, you pull the hair on the back of someone's leg in the jump and it's just stupid, but it gets everyone engaged and you've got people come and going, Sounds like you've been working with Luke O'Nien? That's it. It's, I'm probably, I'm probably the village idiot, but someone that is actually quite serious when I'm sort of planning what I want to do. And when it comes to learning, I'm, I'm, I love it. I get a buzz from it. I want to do it. I wanna make sure I do the best that I can do for everyone I'm involved with.

Paul: 19:22

So last year you had a goalkeeper win the Golden Glove. Congratulations. Thank you. and Middlesbrough women won the league. so for anybody who's, who's watching along, what's, what's your position with Middlesbrough women?

Iain: 19:36

So I I was the Middlesbrough women first team coach, goalkeeping coach, sorry. I'm no longer part of the club now. had a, I think came to point where I had a busy three year, and I think everything was taken its toll. I started about three year ago with children. I'd been, had more managers in the career than I'd ever had. I was fortunate the chairman wanted to stay one one. The coaching teams got sacked and, and then I got the offer from spinning water go there and it felt, I felt bad. But at the same time, if I was a player, I'd wanna do exactly the same. I would wanna try and push myself at the highest level and go as high as I can. and say whatever happened at Spenny, didn't happen at Spenny and left there and then got the opportunity to go. but in the middle of everything I'd been doing when I was spinning more as well, I was doing my UEFA B. So I was traveling down to Wales, I was doing coursework on the bus, going to and from games where the lads were asleep or where the coaches were asleep. I was doing, I was doing coursework on, on the coach, and then I said in the middle of before that, and keeping a full-time job done and working for other areas. And then I think probably last year, all the traveling, I think everything just took a bit of a toll and I think had a break from it. And just how a spell away from like probably senior football and Saturday and Sunday football and have a little bit of time at home and just go and do something I enjoy and that might be going over to Germany to watch a game football over there with my mates and things like that. And I think it's just nice to have that time and not be pressured to go finish work. I've done a 34 hour week, 37 hour week. I have to, when you're putting 20 hours a week in as well for a club, it's a lot And you're dissecting goals, you're breaking things down, you've got to plan training. It is a lot. So I think basically it's just taking sabattical out. I've got a few things that I'm working on, so I kept picking up, putting them down because I never had the time to do it. So now when people are out the house, I'll just crack on and do a little bit and work and get everything in a bit of order that I want and then come back fresher with everything in place and ready to go again.

Paul: 21:47

I think that's important though, is is kind of that self-awareness. That you've reached the edge of where you, where you were prepared to take things at that point in time? Just stepping back to go.

Iain: 21:57

Yeah. To be fair, I think in the past as well, I think it's a lesson, huge lesson from the past. because I put everything else, I put football first, probably some aims, to an extent of other family second and just to get, try and get ahead in the game because I've came out of a club and gone straight to coaching. I've started coaching probably about 23, 24. I've had a family house. House, you know, bills to paying things like that and trying to get into that area from there is just very hard. And I say. Need to do this. You know, and don't get us wrong, I've worked with some amazing people all the time, and I think one of the best managers I've ever worked with, we still I'll associate this day. If he asked me to go and work with him anyway, it would be the county manager, Jim Thompson. He just knew how to treat people right. He knew, I think probably a bit of praise for him as I could compare like a year. He knew how to drop a good word into someone to build them up at the right time, and he was just fantastic.

Paul: 23:01

I think you've, you've called it out there, right, like you've worked with some of the best goalkeeper coaches in the world. What's, what's probably the most important thing that you've took away from all of those lessons that you've learned?

Iain: 23:11

I think, like I say,you look at the, the guys I, we've worked with, and I say it's not name drop. We worked with Eric Steele, Jack Robinson, and Dave Thompson. And, and we worked with a guy called Tony Elliot as well. They're all human, they're all personal, they're all very mellow characters. They're all very calm and centered, and I think prepared to listen to people and put the person first and get another person, and then understand what it takes to get them going. say you can't knock the guys and willing to share the knowledge that we've got. try not be nuisance to them and call them every week, every month, or anything like that. But just if I've got an issue, can I call you and say, yeah, but I said just, just the aware, the mannerisms. And I was talking to, one of the lads I used to work with at Boro who was in the S&C for the junior camp, and we were on about Eric, he was on about like how personable he is and how invested he is and how much attention he pays to people. And I think it's just things like that. And I'm not saying that didn't do that anyway'cause I think that's part of who I am. But I think you work with that type of people and you think the levels that they've been at and still so humble and calm and everything about them.

Paul: 24:28

Yeah, I think it's interesting'cause I, I bet for a lot of the people at home, that's probably not the answer that they'd be expecting. They'll be expecting you to say, oh well, you know, I. I love working with Ex-Coach because you know, they taught me so much about this technical aspect of the game, but actually you're right, the most important thing is sport's a people game.

Iain: 24:48

Yeah, I think I say it's great. I mean, we do what we do on the grass and and on the sessions, but we also learn a lot about each other away. So sometimes after every camp we come in on the first day, we have a debrief and it's just a chance for all the coaches to remind and just fight, feel what's gone, right? What's gone wrong. Long can we do it? And you know, it, it, and I think we get to do it. And like I say, we, we eat together on camps and that, yeah, we live however far, but we come back, we have it, we'll have a meal and it's just nice. And I think it's just nice. Yes, we still talk football, we're still whatever, but it's just nice to have that meal and that social time. it's, it's just a nice atmosphere to me.

Paul: 25:31

So based on everything that we've kind of talked about today, we mentioned at the beginning that your professional life. Was Bruce Grobelaar, how do you think Bruce would fare in today's game? There's a lot's changed, right?

Iain: 25:44

Really A lot has changed and I don't think you'd be be able to get away with as much of these eccentricities now as you would would. I think as a shot stopper, he would be, he'd still be in there, he probably could still play with his feet. you know, it'd be interesting to see, I think again it's probably a different, more difficult game now for goalkeepers was than what it was because obviously you didn't have, you could get the ball pass back, you could pick it up and then go again, pass it out, you know, and Liverpool were quite anonymous with that at the time to kill a game. But whether you could do that, I don't know. It's hard to tell.

Paul: 26:21

And what advice would you give to young keepers today, and I guess I'm going to, I'm gonna refine that question to the, the hardest part I think for any goalkeeper at a youth level is setbacks and defeats and the goals going in. What, what's your

Iain: 26:39

advice then to get through all that? I think it's something I've learned I was terrible as a, as a player, as a kid, if I made a mistake, I would dwell on it. I would dwell on it. And I think that made me worse, especially over a season. I've come back aftebreakng and do it. And I think especially as a young keepaccept except you're gonna make mistakes, use them as learning opportunities. a lot of times I say to young goalkeepers in training, it's the best place to make them make mistakes and training. Use them as a learning opportunity. And if you are brilliant, if you are a Manuel Neuer, I'm out of the job really. So we don't need me, but we're still helping you to get better. And that's what you need to do. Make to get that.

Paul: 27:20

Fantastic. Well, Iain thank you very much for being the first guest of this season's podcast. It's been an absolute pleasure to have you on the show, and if you're watching along at home, you enjoyed that, please do give us a subscribe, follow whichever platforms you're watching us on. We'd love to have you follow along. We're gonna have some amazing coaches on the show alongside Iain, keep watching and you'll see more. Thank you. Bye-bye.